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gsmusic · newbie Joined: 09 Aug 2003 Posts: 7

Hello,

Our band rented a 16G to record a 5 track EP and as soon as we plugged our amps in,they sounded nothing like our amps at all. This is direct recoding(we tried micing it but it sucked more)My bass was flat and dull, and our rythems marshall sounded horrible. Weve fixed the EQ's, turned off all of the effects, and have had no change. Our leads music teacher who has a similar version of the 16G said something about the bandwith on the recorder being too narrow for our amps as our amps are on a broader range of sound. And all those we THINK we have turned off. Bypass should be on for excluding effects right? And EQ's should be at 0db right? It still is a horrble expriance for all of us Evil or Very Mad

. Now the thing wont even record tracks Evil or Very Mad

. For some reason it just decided to quit unless i have a mute on something. ANY HELP IS NEEDED AND WILL BE LOVED. PLEASE HELP!!!!

Sixways · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:29 am Post subject:

Hi,

I'm probably not much help as I'm still new too, but I have recorded so far with outstanding results...acoustic guitars through a condenser mic...Now as far as it goes, thats a world different from what you are trying to do, and I'm trying the same thing tomorrow night. I think whomever told you it was a band width problem was off base, because the thing records what it hears. If you could possible define how your sound "sucks" I may be able to guide you a bit better. It could be a number of things so post and let me know how you have everything set, (imput gain, pre and post, eq, etc) and I may can help. No promises though.

6wfs

rick31797 · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:42 am Post subject: hi

Sorry to hear about your bad experience...most people have good results with the G...
You may have a bum machine, maybe there is something wrong with it..
You can turn off all the effects and record flat..EQ off DY OFF and EFFECTS 1 and 2 " ON ON means BYPASS

How are your recording Levels...?? make sure you are not to high or too low.
I record direct with all effects off and use a Pod Line 6 and J station...
You may want to take it back and get another machine.
Rick

BrassMan · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:49 am Post subject:

I have had good success recording with the G, as have many others on the forum (check out the Music Made with 16G area for samples). The G is spec'd from 20Hz to 20kHz, so bandwidth is not a problem there. There may be a problem with the G if it's been abused previously (you said it was a rental), but assuming there's no problem with the G, other equipment could be suspect, like mics, preamps, etc.

To start fresh, try this. Press the Scene button until you get to the Library page, turn the jog wheel to Item 0 (Initial Data), then cursor over to the Recall button and press Enter. This will initialize the mixer settings to ensure everything is flat & dry. Then try a mix with the EQ, dynamics, panning for each track, effects, etc. you want. Getting all these tweaked properly can make a big difference.

If this doesn't help, perhaps others here will jump in with more suggestions.

60's guy · aw16gold! Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 2592

Hello Gsmusic,
Whoa there. Slow down a bit. It's obvious that you "rented" it and expected immediate results. The question is: Did you check out the G
first, consult with someone already familiar with as Sixways did by
joining this forum before he even ordered it.
Sixways posted perhaps the quintessential of all posts on this site!
His post, along with rick31797's question about scenes and the answers
that followed have been an immense help to me and others I'm sure.

I have no idea how long you rented the unit for, but for the meantime,
stay on board here, read a lot and learn a lot. Then rent it again or
maybe even buy it.

It's a great unit! Once you learn it.

60's

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to thank Sixways & Rick!

RZ · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:22 am Post subject:

I do believe Brassman hit the nail on the head. If you're just renting the G and haven't taken the time to research how to use it, then you may have just turned it on and used the existing scene that was left from another song. You definitely want to start with everything dry.

Also, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're plugging your amps directly into the G. I don't think I would do that. I can't think of too many recording studios who would tell you to do that. Most all of them would mike the amps putting the mikes off center of the speakers.

If none of that works for you, I would recommend taking back the G and going to a studio where the professionals know their gear and can get the job done to your satisfaction. Playing instruments and being a recording engineer are 2 different things. Ya gotta know what you're doing and understand your equipment.

Best of luck.
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gsmusic · newbie Joined: 09 Aug 2003 Posts: 7

Well our rythems marshall jcm900 just doesnt sound like the amp at all. Its putting out to much treble and getting blurby. I have the same blurby problem with my bass. It sounds more like a 51' P than a stingray. I know we jsut got the thing, but we spent 3 days and nights trying to figure this thing out. The line 6 box were running doesnt sound like the box either. If anyone could suggest levels to use(volumes for the amps, db's on the track mixers, and output levels). Were running a line directly from the amp's preamp, not micing it. Please help again!

60's guy · aw16gold! Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 2592

RZ, Brassman, Rick, Sixways
I'm done! You wanna jump in again?
Gmusic is obviously VERY IMPATIENT!
I'm impressed though with a full 3 days of effort.
I didn't turn the G on for 3 weeks after I bought it.
I just read and read and read and read.
Even after that, it took time, lot's of time.

Final thought: Ya Wanna GO Fast? Drive a Race Car!

gsmusic · newbie Joined: 09 Aug 2003 Posts: 7

Ok you know what? With that last post you disgust me. Obviously this baord is to HELP OTHERS OUT not make them seem like total jerks. I would READ READ AND READ the manual, but it DIDNT COME WITH ONE. and it costs $130 a week to rent it, and we kinda arnt rich enough to afford that. I just wish i could delete the hard drive on this POS.

60's guy · aw16gold! Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 2592

Gmusic,
It was not my intention to disgust you. You missed the POINT
altogether. If you slow down a bit more and read "within this site",
you'll find that most would agree that the manual as supplied is
not adequate. It helps more as a reminder only.
I'm not able to link you to it right now, but check out within
Helpful Hints etc, Recording 101. It'll get you guys off to a good start.
Everyone here helps others. We are just trying to do that.
Maybe I missed something, but, I don't recall you're having said that
the unit did not come with a manual.
That would have helped a bit, don't you think?
If you hang on a while, you'll find many friends here.
And the G is NOT a POS.

60's

Capptain · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:14 am Post subject:

Gsmusic...

Look...I don't think 60's guy meant anything personal there...you just have to understand that this piece of equipement doesn't run itself. It's not realistic to expect to have the thing for 3 nights and be getting results...pretty much everyone here has spent MONTHS learning to use the machine properly. First of all, you can download a very good beginning document here: http://www.aw16g.com./ You can ALSO download the ENTIRE manual here. That would be a place to start. Also, don't expect your Marshalls to sound like Marshalls if you are coming out of the pre-amps and into the G. It's not gonna happen dude. You're going to HAVE to mic your amp if you want it to sound like anything but a fart in an astronaut suit. You MIGHT be able to achieve reasonable results with the Line 6 unit, but it sounds to me as though your having a difficult time enough running the G. You have told us NOTHING about how you are setting up, other than the fact that you are running direct from the Marshall's pre-amp out. Please don't expect us to give you detailed answers without providing a detailed post to begin with.
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60's guy · aw16gold! Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 2592

Capptain,
Thanks! For a while, I felt alone and abondened to a far off island like
Robinson C.
Rescued at last! You got any food?

Capptain · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:41 am Post subject:

Yeah bro..I gotta big fat Filet Mignon, with a glass of WHINE waiting for ya. Laughing

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60's guy · aw16gold! Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 2592

Capptain,
I didn't hear any whining, just a cry for help.
You forgot the cheese and crackers to go with that.
LMAO

bazzio · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:53 am Post subject:

So you hire a digital recording machine without knowing how to use it, apparently having not asked whoever you hired it from how to use it, maybe didn't think to even ask for a manual or instructions, then come to the place where you can be helped and dump shit? Maybe you deserve better ~ but then maybe you don't.
RZ probably has given you the solution to your problem, but I don't expect you'll even be thankful. 60's guy did his best to give you the info you needed, but you seem to have more than a problem with the machine buddy ~ you have a probelm with everything, it seems.
~ all the same ~ all the best. The machine is only as good as it's user. You might like to think on that a little.
~ bazzio
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60's guy · aw16gold! Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 2592

Capptain,
I forgot! Is there a full moon tonight? What are we doing up so late?
I just remembered! It's August. Mars is getting closer. A bigger pull
on the brain than a full moon. Mars! Real big later this month.
Don't miss it. Write a song about it. Now what rhymes with Mars?

Capptain · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:05 am Post subject:

LMAO

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Capptain · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:06 am Post subject:

What's the saying? "A closed mouth gathers no feet" ? Laughing

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gordwait · Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:10 am Post subject:

I agree with the 'G gang, even if you were completely versed in
running the G, you're not going to get a good sound from a Marshall preamp out into the G direct like that.
I've had very good results running a Line 6 POD direct into the G,
you need either a reasonably warm Mic (like an SM57) on to
the speaker, off center from the cone,
Or easier some sort of decent amp simulating box like the Pod,
or J station etc.

It is a tough job grabbing a G and digging in for a project right off,
with only a weekend to do it. Of the few different machines I've played
with, the G is by far the easiest to learn, so I don't think you would
have been better off with any other unit..
It's too bad the rental droid at the store set your expectations
so high. Makes more sense to be pissed at the rental place..

Cheers,
Gord

60's guy · aw16gold! Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 2592

Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Does Gmusic now hold the record for most views in less than a day
for an initial post. I didn't do a stat check on that one yet.
Vinnie has to show here at some point.
Thanks guys. It's hard to get across the fact that it takes time to learn.
If I can learn it, anyone can, with patience.